Rankings 23-24

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Docger wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 15:11 Asked Mike. Said a 174 will move up for this semester. Did not ask the situation w Hatcher who would be the normal step in for Loew.
I assumed that! Hansen told me at Final X that he was planning to bulk up to 184 to back up Loew this season after wrestling small for the weight at EIWA. I was surprised to see him back at 174.
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Docger wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 07:59 So Flo has Crookham #1 at 133 dropping Vito to #2
Flo's the only service of the six I check that ranked Crookham #1; WIN has him 8th. Jumping him to #1 is premature, IMO. He's good, but his track record isn't long.
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jdalu75 wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 20:12
Docger wrote: 14 Nov 2023, 07:59 So Flo has Crookham #1 at 133 dropping Vito to #2
Flo's the only service of the six I check that ranked Crookham #1; WIN has him 8th. Jumping him to #1 is premature, IMO. He's good, but his track record isn't long.
You know Flo's ranking philosophy though. Half tongue in cheek based on recent events.

Updating the chart with the WIN rankings.
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Future looks interesting downstream. If Lee wins Farrell as predicted at 57kg and Vito gets down to 57 kg after college season......? Vito has to redeem himself against Ryan first.
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11/20/23 Rankings

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		WIN	Flo	Intermat OpenMat AWN	WrestleStat (ELO)
125: Ungar 	 5	 6	11	 12	 20 	12	
133: Arujau	 1	 2	 2	  3	  1 	 1
141: Cornella	 8	 8	14	 13	  9	16
149: ???	??	??	??	 ??      ??	??
157: Shapiro	NR	19	21	 10	 NR	28
165: Ramirez	 8	 7	 7       7	  7	 5
174: Foca	 2	xx	xx	 xx	  4	xx
184: Loew	17	--	--	 xx	  7	11
184: Foca  	xx	 3	 4	 xx	 xx	 2	
197: Cardenas	 6	 6	 6	  6	  6	 8
285: Fernandes	NR	16	21	 16	 NR	21
TEAM DUAL:	xx	xx	 2	  6	 xx	 6
TEAM NCAA:	 2	 3	 9	 10	 xx	 4
I can't fight City Hall. If he's getting ranked at 184, Foca's the 184. I'd be surprised if Loew gets bumped from the lineup his final year but I guess not that surprised, since Foca is the big dawg now after finishing in second last year and Loew's continued health is less certain. 184 is also lacking a real dominant #1 and while I don't know if Foca will be able to carry over his success, I'm not sure I'd put a post-surgery Loew in semifinals contention either. All subject to change in January anyway so... it is what it is and I'll keep posting the services who keep Loew in the rankings or Foca at 174.

WIN Ungar up to 5. Shapiro still not ranked, though Iowa State's Chittum is. Didn't get the memo about Foca.
Intermat Up now. In the same range as others.
Flo : As mentioned, Foca now the 184, leaving no ranked wrestlers at 149 or 174.
Amateur Wrestling News Adding AWN to the chart (thanks jdalu). Down on our lower weights but gave Vito a break on his loss. No team rankings.
The Open Mat Adding The Open Mat to the chart. They are relatively down on a lot of guys and punished Vito the most for his loss to Crookham but are the first to put Shapiro in the top 10.
Wrestlestat Shapiro gets some respect from the computer with his 4-0 start. A little surprising that he jumped so much after a 3-0 first week since his 4th opponent is his lowest ranked this season.
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11/27/23 Rankings

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		WIN	Flo	Intermat OpenMat AWN	WS(ELO)
125: Ungar 	 4	 6	 8	 13	 20 	11	
133: Arujau	 1	 2	 2	  3	  1 	 1
141: Cornella	 8	 8	14	 13	  9	15
149: Fernandez	NR	NR	NR	 NR      NR	44
157: Shapiro	NR	19	21	 10	 NR	28
165: Ramirez	 8	 7	 7        7	  7	 5
174: Baker	NR	NR	NR	 NR	 NR     51
184: Foca  	 4	 3	 4	  4	 xx	 2	
197: Cardenas	 6	 6	 6	  6	  6	 8
285: Fernandes	NR	16	21	 16	 NR	21
TEAM DUAL:	xx	xx	 2	  6	 xx	 5
TEAM NCAA:	 4	 4	 6	  9	 xx	 7
AWN didn't update, and they're the only ranker left with Foca at 174 so I took that line off the chart. I've put the starters at CKLV on the grid but NB that Saunders is supposedly returning to the team in January and there's a reasonable likelihood he'll take over as the starter at 149.

WIN Shapiro still not ranked! This weekend's CKLV tournament should change that if he wrestles as expected. They still have Loew ranked at 184 as well (at 18), but I think that's just being sloppy. He's out for the year.
Flo They have Shapiro ranked at 19 but also predict that he'll win CKLV. An artifact of a ranking philosophy where they don't let their gut override actual results. He might be #1 or 2 if they were forced to betray their ranker's oath.
Intermat Not much change.
The Open Mat Not much change.
Amateur Wrestling News No update yet. I've been told they are really bad about updating the site.
Wrestlestat Fernandez and Baker get their first ELO rankings on the grid.

All the starters but Vito are going to Las Vegas. Arujau is set to return to the mid-December dual meets after recovering from an unknown but apparently not serious injury.
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WIN is strange. They tend to have more outliers than the others. They have Foca 4th and Loew 18th at 184, f'instance.

AWN updated, they just haven't posted online.
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jdalu75 wrote: 29 Nov 2023, 11:57 WIN is strange. They tend to have more outliers than the others. They have Foca 4th and Loew 18th at 184, f'instance.

AWN updated, they just haven't posted online.
lol - do they have a mailing list?
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Must have, since I'm on it somehow. Check your private messages; I sent you the contact info.
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12/4 Rankings

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		WIN	Flo	Intermat OpenMat AWN	WS(ELO)
125: Ungar 	 3	 7	 5	  7 	  5 	11	
133: Arujau	 1	 2	 2	  3	  3 	 1
141: Cornella	12	 8	15	 16	 13	23
149: Fernandez	NR	NR	NR	 NR      NR	47
157: Shapiro	NR	17	15	 16	 NR	 4
165: Ramirez	 4	 4	 3        3	  7	 3
174: Baker	NR	NR	NR	 NR	 NR     49
184: Foca  	 7	14 	 9	  9	  9	 4	
197: Cardenas	 6	 8	 7	  7	  9	 5
285: Fernandes	19	19	19	 19	 20	19
TEAM DUAL:	 6	 3	 3	  6	 xx	 3
TEAM NCAA:	 5	10	 5	  8	 xx	 3
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